Greeneville Trip Three; the lost dpjenkins@charter.net post; notes on Peter Feicht in the 1920 census.

I didn’t do too much in the third trip, as the main reason to do was to capture the photograph of the “Conrad Girdner Obit” (see also here) that is all over the Internet presently. It is an article in the Greeneville Herald of May 1882 and a copy is in the T Elmer Cox library in Greeneville TN.
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We did some tax studies in the period 1828-1832 and in the area you mostly find a Barnabas Myers and a Gabriel Myers. I’m pretty sure that Barnabas is the son of William Myers Jr but I’m not 100% sure that Gabriel Myers is the son of William Myers Sr, though I suspect he is. We also picked up a photo of the marriage license of Barnabas Myers.
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I note that the old dpjenkins quote re: Myers of the early 18th century in Greene County has disappeared off ancestry and rootsweb. I suspect that it’s gone because of the reference to the now defunct Myers surname project. So, we’ll present the quote absent the stuff that’s no longer relevant.

From: dpjenkins@charter.net
Subject: MYERS DNA PROJECT – HELP SORT THIS OUT
Date: 23 Jan 2005 17:05:58 -0700

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There were about 5 different early Myers families in Greene Co., TN before 1810. They are all very difficult to trace before their arrival. Among them were:

1. The Myers on Cove Creek who were akin to the Girdners. This family intemarried with Kochers, Gables, and others. The progenitor is believed to be Wilhelm, aka William Myers, Sr., born approx. 1735 and came from Northhampton Co., PA (now Lehigh) where he was in the Rev. War. Most of these Myers moved on out of Greene Co., TN by the 1830’s.

2. Henry Myers (1777-1843) who married Elizabeth Trobaugh and whose descendants are well documented. There are still many of them in Greene County, TN. Henry had probable brothers who married his wife’s cousins: Frederick Myers (1789-1856) m. Mary Kerbaugh and moved to Harrison Co., IN, and John Myers (ca. 1785-1815) m. Caty Kerbaugh and had two daughters Polly and Eliza Myers I have been unable to trace.

Henry, Frederick & John Myers were likely the sons of Michael Myers (1750 – ?) who owned a farm adjoining Nicholas Trobaugh’s land in Augusta Co., Virginia at the time of Henry Myers marriage to Elizabeth Trobaugh. (Nicholas Trobaugh was the father of Elizabeth Trobaugh.)

This particular Michael Myers was believed to be the son of Frederick Meyer/Myers (1711-ca.1782) who immigrated from Germany in 1741 on the ship “Marlboro.” This family of Myers interacted with the Trobaughs before Nicholas Trobaugh left York Co., PA and after the move to Augusta Co., VA which I think increases the likelihood of a connection.

Frederick Meyer/Myers was the son of Hermann Meyer of Thal Lichtenberg, Kries Kusel, Germany. He married Barbara Schmidt and lived in Bedesbach, Kries Kusel, before the move to Pennsylvania.

3. Adam Myers who had a son named Peter who moved to West Tennessee and applied for a Rev. War Pension mentioning residence in Greene Co., TN.

4. The extremely large Gap Creek Myers family that intermarried with the Couch, Manis/Maness, West, and Rutherford families early on.

5. Henry Myers family who was born ca. 1784 in PA and lived on the Hawkins Co., TN line at Laurel Gap. His children include Anna Myers who married James Gardner.

DNA from male members of these Myers families could help tell if they all have the same remote ancestor. I have had my uncle and a couple of others in my line do this in an effort to get started.

The only factual error I know of in the above is that the part of Penn Township where William Myers lived is now part of Carbon County, not Lehigh. There is a map of his old land presented in this post.

The final comment of note is that the Feicht family, with which I have a very close Y67 match (I believe 65/67) has been associated with Wurrtemberg. Peter Feicht 1840-1921 is known to have come from Germany and in the 1920 US Census, says that he was born in Wurrtemberg.

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The Feicht connection, and a possible census timeline of Charles Myers

A cut out of my closest Y-DNA matches are below.

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The importance of Peter Feicht is not to be underestimated. He can be shown to be a German immigrant, and other information indicates he is from Würrtemberg Germany.

This is important because there are a ton of German immigrants from Würrtemberg to Pennsylvania in the 18th century, and the migration of their names from the original German to ‘Myers’ can also be documented.

For example, the book “Pennsylvania German Immigrants 1709-1786” talks about one Georg Balthasar Mayr from that part of Germany. By 1786, the name has mutated to Baltzer Myers, and he’s noted to be in Westmoreland County, with wife Martha, and children James, Ely, Jacob, Lewis, and Christian. The last two names are indicated as single. Balzer is not hard to find in the 1790 census.

Westmoreland is adjacent to Somerset county, where Charles is supposed to be born (in 1789). There are no Myers in Somerset in 1790, but there are three in 1800. A Henry Myers Sr and a Jacob Myers have male children in the right age range to potentially match Charles.

By the way, it needs to be understood that before 1850 or so, the names on the Federal Census list generally consist of men with property. Everyone else is just a number.

In terms of census information on “our” Charles Myers, this is what I see. We know that Charles is down in Green County TN by 1811, because he marries his wife there, and for now, that’s the first real record we have of the man. Then there is service in the 1812 war, and the land grant in Missouri in about 1819. Then in the 1820 census Charles Myers Jr and Charles Myers Sr appear in Giles county. To note, this is half a state away from Green County. Giles is on the Alabama border, while Green County is on the Tennessee border with North Carolina. That noted, Charles’s children are said to have been born in Giles County.

The pair disappear completely in 1830. In 1840 in Missouri, a pair of Charles Myers appear again, in Big Creek, Van Buren, Missouri. The “Jr” is said to be born in about 1789 (Jr and Sr can be seen in the document reproduction itself) and is 51 years old.  The Senior is not matched with a specific age, but there is a male 50-59 in the household. Note that in 1848 Van Buren is renamed Cass County, and it is interesting to speculate on the relationship between these two men. Brothers or cousins, perhaps?

“Our” Charles is in the 1850 census. Married to Rebecca, born in Pennsylvania, With Nancy and Charles W as children. He passes in 1857, and there are photos of his tombstone around.

So many questions abound. Do the Myers of Westmoreland and Somerset counties, PA, have DNA tests? Who is Charles Myers Sr, and are there any known relatives of the man? Do they have DNA tests?

Update -> Southerland to Somerset. The latter really exists.

Update 2 -> Actually, Charles Myers Sr does appear in the 1830 census, but the bots that figured out his name transcribed it into ‘Charles Marwer’.