John Myers, William Myers, and the Sugarloaf Massacre

One of the first documents that Rayedene Graves shared with me when we found out about the Artie Myers DNA link was this one, testimony by George Myers on behalf of his older brother John’s widow. I suspect Wayne Myers is the source of this, but can’t be sure.

Pennsylvania File #R7737, John Myers,Catharin Null(former widow)
The State of Mississippi, Leake County 1838, November Term Leake Probate
Court.
George Myers, this day appeared before me, Jackson Warner, Judge of the
Court of Probate of the County of Leake and State aforesaid. George Myers of
the County of Kemper and State aforesaid, who first being duly sworn,
desposeth and sayeth that he was born on the 10th day of August AD 1766 in
the County of Northampton and State of Pennsylvania, that he is a brother of
John Myers, the late husband of Cathrine Null, a claiment Widow, the Act of
Congress passed July 4th 1836 and an act expanctory of said Act passed March
the 3rd 1837. That he recolects that the said John Myers, late husband of
the claimant, enlisted as a volunteer in a Company raised by his father
William Myers, who commanded the Company as Captain. That said John Myers
being Lieutenant about the year AD one thousand seven hundred & eighty, to
fight against the Shawnee Indians and engaged with them in a battle at
Neskopeck Valley, then in Indian Territory within the limits of the State of
Pennsylvania about thirty miles from the residence of the said John Myers.
That the said John Myers was captured by the Indians and restrained a
prisoner, three days and nights, when he made his escape and fled to Wyoming
(this is Wyoming Valley in Pa.) from which he wrote his father William
Myers, who in the company of other individuals, went to Wyoming and braught
him home. And this appiant states he was there when he arrived and remembers
the circumstances destinctly. This appiant further states that in a short
time afterwards the said John Myers was again called off to fight against
the Shawnee Indians. In this tour, he recolects his being engaged in another
battle in which the whites gained a signal victory over their enemys, the
Indians. A short time after John Myers returned from this tour, he was
married to Catharine Gable, the present claimant. This appiant further
states the marriage took place at the residence of the father of Catharine
Gable in the County of Northampton and State of Pennsylvania in the month of
March, One Thousand Seven Hundred Eighty One. This appiant further states
that he was at the wedding or marriage and saw with his own eyes the said John
Myers & Catharine Gable, his wife, the present claimant, put to bed as man
and wife and he further states he was present also in the morning when they
arose from their nuptial couch. And this appiant further states that after
the marriage of the said John Myers and Catharine Gable the present claimant,
the said John Myers was again called off to fight the Tories on the Delaware
and other places, but does not know what battles he was engaged in. This
appiant further states that the said John Myers was engaged more or less all
the time from this period to the end of the war, when he was honorably
discharged. Upon reflection, this appiant recolects the fact of the said
John Myers in conjuction with his father going with a company to a place
called Lizard Creek in the County of Northampton in the State of
Pennsylvania, whare a considerable number of Tories had collected and
rueting them entirley, the Tories it is said made hasty strides to reach the
shores of the Novascotia, where they might remain secure from the
indignation of the free sons of liberty, and further this appiant sayeth
not, George Myers, sworn and subscribed to in open Court, before me this 6th
day of Nov.1838, Jackson Warner

Well, I started searching the Internet for the Northampton Militia, and rapidly ran into an author named Tom Verenna, who writes for the Journal of the American Revolution. And the incident described above, the colorful one about being captured by Indians, isn’t just a fish tale by a worshipful younger brother, but actually fact. It’s called the Sugarloaf Massacre, and Tom’s telling of the tale is here.

It’s cool to have a cousin, or potential father of Charles even, in a known historical event, one that places these folks into a historical context and gives us a location, Easton PA, to further explore who these two actually are/were.

That’s the good news. The bad news is that the Pennsylvania militias, as soldiers, mostly sucked. Far cry from my Dad, B-52 pilot and former commander First CEG, Barksdale AFB. They were poorly equipped, though, ill paid, untrained, and it seems true in military matters that you get what you pay for.

William Myers Sr – Charles Myers Sr bits and pieces.

I found proof of William Myers Sr’s captaincy. It is here, on this web site.

Second Company, Penn Township.

Notes from an email between my bother and Ron Myers (an ancestry tree manager)

Charles’s Dad, from Wilbur Thomas Myers

Hi Jonathan, I’m not sure who the parents of Charles Myers were. I remember Wilbur Thomas Myers’ info saying that Charles’ father was a Revolutionary War Veteran. That was all that Wilbur knew, and Wilbur is now deceased. I’ve never been able to find out anymore.

Wilbur was a respected Texas Myers expert. William Myers Sr and John Myers are both vets.

Charles in Ky?

We have a cousin, Vivian Peacock, who had this note in her records:  “Although this is not certain, I do have a line in my notes which reads: “Charles was born to a Revolutionary War Veteran in Old Lincoln County, Kentucky”  perhaps this could be a clue as to why we have not been able to find his birth records in Pa.”

Looking for Myers in Lincoln County KY in 1790 (Federal census) yielded no hits. Ky was made a state in 1792. It would still be worth checking again, trying to clean up loose ends. There may be a census equivalent in KY in a short enough time frame to get some background. Charles himself insists he was born in Pennsylvania.

When looking at the 1790 Federal Census, I found this:

1790census-william-mayer-penn-northampton-pa

To point out the obvious, I can’t eliminate Charles Myers Sr staying at this residence.

The importance of the Greene Co TN Myers, early 19th century

We’ll set the stage with the description of the early 19th century Myers in Greene County by a partial quote from this link by dpjenkins@charter.net

There were about 5 different early Myers families in Greene Co., TN before 1810. They are all very difficult to trace before their arrival. Among them were:

1. The Myers on Cove Creek who were akin to the Girdners. This family intemarried with Kochers, Gables, and others. The progenitor is believed to be Wilhelm, aka William Myers, Sr., born approx. 1735 and came from Northhampton Co., PA (now Lehigh) where he was in the Rev. War. Most of these Myers moved on out of Greene Co., TN by the 1830’s.

This dovetails with the following comment by Sandra Houston:

The 1809-1817 Tax List for Greene Co., TN listed the following Myers’: Christopher, Henry, Henry Jr., Jacob, John, Michael, Peter, William Sr., William Jr.

William Sr along with a William Jr, can be found in the 1812 tax rolls of Greene County:

myers_of_greene_co_around_1810

Those who have read this blog will know that there are a pair of Myers, named Charles, who follow each other from Greene County TN to Giles County TN to Van Buren (later Cass) County MO. We know from DNA studies that descendants of William Myers Sr and “our” Charles are related. And this post from Wayne Myers shows the interrelationship between the Charles pair and William Myers Jr.

This is what I have, Charles Myers Sr.married Rebeckah Williams, April 3,1811 in Greene Co. Tennessee. Wednesday April 24,1816 page 208 Greene County Minutes. Andrew Stevens disposes that Charles Myers Jr.,Barnabas (Barney) Myers, Andrew Myers, Jacob Myers,and Elizabeth Myers are the lawfull and only heirs of William Myers Jr.
Tuesday April 15,1815 page 39. Solomon Willhoite was appointed guardian of Barnabas Myers, a minor orphan, George Wells security.
Charles Myers Sr. was appointed guardian of Elizabeth Myers, a minor orphan.
Charles Myers Jr. was appointed guardian of Andrew Myers a minor orphan. I find Andrew all through the early 1800’s being passed from guardian to guardian, because they had to report to the courts. Numerous times he was called Andrew Myers an Idiot by the courts.
I don’t know the relation between Charles Myers Sr.and Charles Myers Jr. I can only guess that Charles Sr. was an Uncle. If thats the case, Charles Myers Sr.and William Myers Jr. were brothers. I have the same problem with my ggggrandfather William Myers Sr. William Jr. was not an heir in his will.
Barnabas Myers married Rebecca Benson May 13,1819 in Greene Co,Tn. He paid taxes on 93 acres on Cove Creek,Greene Co.in 1830. He was commissioner of Turnpike road in 1831. 1830 Census Barney was 30 to 40 years old with 6 daughters,3 under 5 y/o, 2-5 to 10 y/o,and 1-10 to 15 y/o,and his wife 30 to 40 y/o. Then in 1850 census in Nodaway Co.Missouri page 782 house 273. Barnabas Myers 55 born in Tenn.Rebecca Myers 55 born in Virginia, Almia A.S.Myers 18 born in Tenn,Jane B.Myers 17 born in Tenn,Sarah D.A.Myers 12 born in Missouri.
Charles Myers Sr.1820 Giles Co,Tenn. also there was Searles Myers Jr,Ashar Myers,Marmaduke Myers,and Thomas Myers. Charles Mires 011101-10101-0, 1820 Lawrence Co.Tenn.census. The only child listed in LDS of Charles Myers and Rebecca Williams is Elias Tidwell Myers, born in Giles Co.Tn died in Dallas Co.Texas.
Charles Myers Sr.was the administrator of William Myers Jr. estate dated Jan.24,1815. Charles Sr.and Charles Jr. both,purchased items in the estate sale.
Charles Myers got a Tennessee land grant Oct 1,1813 for 19 acres. Happy hunting Wayne Myers

A correction to the above is that I believe Charles Jr married Rebecca. I would suggest that the 1840 MO census results leaned that way. Our family records show more children of Charles Myers, Jr than listed here.

Now, because Charles Myers Sr is an administrator of William Myers Jr’s estate, Neil Myers tells me that there is no will. I’d like more documentation of the William Myers Jr estate sale.

If we can assume that Barnabas Myers is the son of William Myers, Jr, then for Barnabas to be born in TN in 1795, William had to be there at the time. If Charles Jr is the son of William Jr, then he is in TN by the age of six at least, perhaps earlier. Even if he’s just a cousin of William Jr, then the notion that the Williams and the Charles traveled as a group is still appealing.

I have an email from Rayedene Graves where she gives an excerpt of a travel story of the Girdners. They leave Northampton County in 1792 along with a couple brothers in law, one of which was a Myers. So this Northamption to Greene migration was going on by the early 1790s.

My gut feeling is that unlocking Pennsylvania will require unlocking Greene County TN. And I don’t think we unlock Greene Co TN without more Y DNA studies from descendants of the critical Cove Creek Myers.

Update – my assumption, that “our” Charles is Charles Myers Jr,  can be disproved by data from Pleasant Hill Cemetery in Cass County Missouri.

When counties beget counties

If you do a search on “Somerset County Genealogy”, you end up finding this page on familysearch. And the important take home is that Somerset County, PA, did not exist before 1795. Before 1795, these lands were part of Bedford County.

Now, since “our” Charles Myers was born in 1789, he could not have been born in Somerset County, as it didn’t exist. Bedford? maybe. Somerset? no.

We have the same issue with folks who want to assign William Myers Sr to Somerset County in 1770. Somerset doesn’t exist, and neither does Bedford. Bedford came into existence in 1771. At that time, those lands were part of Cumberland County.

For those who speak of William Myers Sr (born anywhere from 1735-1740) being from Northampton Co PA (later Lehigh) we run into a similar issue. Northampton County doesn’t exist until 1751. Before that it is Bucks County.