Greeneville Trip Three; the lost dpjenkins@charter.net post; notes on Peter Feicht in the 1920 census.

I didn’t do too much in the third trip, as the main reason to do was to capture the photograph of the “Conrad Girdner Obit” (see also here) that is all over the Internet presently. It is an article in the Greeneville Herald of May 1882 and a copy is in the T Elmer Cox library in Greeneville TN.
IMG_0426a

We did some tax studies in the period 1828-1832 and in the area you mostly find a Barnabas Myers and a Gabriel Myers. I’m pretty sure that Barnabas is the son of William Myers Jr but I’m not 100% sure that Gabriel Myers is the son of William Myers Sr, though I suspect he is. We also picked up a photo of the marriage license of Barnabas Myers.
IMG_0434

I note that the old dpjenkins quote re: Myers of the early 18th century in Greene County has disappeared off ancestry and rootsweb. I suspect that it’s gone because of the reference to the now defunct Myers surname project. So, we’ll present the quote absent the stuff that’s no longer relevant.

From: dpjenkins@charter.net
Subject: MYERS DNA PROJECT – HELP SORT THIS OUT
Date: 23 Jan 2005 17:05:58 -0700

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.

Classification: Query

Message Board URL:

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ihB.2ACI/4690

Message Board Post:

There were about 5 different early Myers families in Greene Co., TN before 1810. They are all very difficult to trace before their arrival. Among them were:

1. The Myers on Cove Creek who were akin to the Girdners. This family intemarried with Kochers, Gables, and others. The progenitor is believed to be Wilhelm, aka William Myers, Sr., born approx. 1735 and came from Northhampton Co., PA (now Lehigh) where he was in the Rev. War. Most of these Myers moved on out of Greene Co., TN by the 1830’s.

2. Henry Myers (1777-1843) who married Elizabeth Trobaugh and whose descendants are well documented. There are still many of them in Greene County, TN. Henry had probable brothers who married his wife’s cousins: Frederick Myers (1789-1856) m. Mary Kerbaugh and moved to Harrison Co., IN, and John Myers (ca. 1785-1815) m. Caty Kerbaugh and had two daughters Polly and Eliza Myers I have been unable to trace.

Henry, Frederick & John Myers were likely the sons of Michael Myers (1750 – ?) who owned a farm adjoining Nicholas Trobaugh’s land in Augusta Co., Virginia at the time of Henry Myers marriage to Elizabeth Trobaugh. (Nicholas Trobaugh was the father of Elizabeth Trobaugh.)

This particular Michael Myers was believed to be the son of Frederick Meyer/Myers (1711-ca.1782) who immigrated from Germany in 1741 on the ship “Marlboro.” This family of Myers interacted with the Trobaughs before Nicholas Trobaugh left York Co., PA and after the move to Augusta Co., VA which I think increases the likelihood of a connection.

Frederick Meyer/Myers was the son of Hermann Meyer of Thal Lichtenberg, Kries Kusel, Germany. He married Barbara Schmidt and lived in Bedesbach, Kries Kusel, before the move to Pennsylvania.

3. Adam Myers who had a son named Peter who moved to West Tennessee and applied for a Rev. War Pension mentioning residence in Greene Co., TN.

4. The extremely large Gap Creek Myers family that intermarried with the Couch, Manis/Maness, West, and Rutherford families early on.

5. Henry Myers family who was born ca. 1784 in PA and lived on the Hawkins Co., TN line at Laurel Gap. His children include Anna Myers who married James Gardner.

DNA from male members of these Myers families could help tell if they all have the same remote ancestor. I have had my uncle and a couple of others in my line do this in an effort to get started.

The only factual error I know of in the above is that the part of Penn Township where William Myers lived is now part of Carbon County, not Lehigh. There is a map of his old land presented in this post.

The final comment of note is that the Feicht family, with which I have a very close Y67 match (I believe 65/67) has been associated with Wurrtemberg. Peter Feicht 1840-1921 is known to have come from Germany and in the 1920 US Census, says that he was born in Wurrtemberg.

peter-feicht-1920-us-census

The Pennsylvania Rambler and other Sugarloaf Massacre stories.

Recently found this link from the Pennsylvania Rambler blog and thought it was interesting. He make no mention of the Tom Varenna article, which predates his, so you can’t be sure he hasn’t read Varenna. That said, as a meditation on how stories change, the blog article is worth a read.

I’ve been trying to track down where George Kocher Sr died. His traditional date of passing is 17 September 1980, and that jibes well with this quote, found in The Pennsylvania Archives, Ser. 1, Vol. 8, (1907) 564-565, and quoted in the Wikipedia article on the burial attempt.

On the first notice of this unfortuned event the officers of the militia have Exerted themselves to get Volunteers out of their Respective Divissions to go up & Burry the Dead, their Labour Proved not in Vain we collected about 150 men & officers Included from the Colonels Kern, Giger & my own Battalions who would undergo the fatique & Danger to go their & pay that Respect to their slautered Brethren, Due to men who fell in support of the freedom of their Country. On the 15th we took up our line of march (want of amunation prevented us from going Sooner) on the 17th we arrived at the place of action, where we found Ten of our Soldiers Dead, Scalped, Striped Naked, & in a most cruel & Barborous manner Tomehawked, their throads Cut, &c. &c. whom we Buried & Returned without even seeing any of these Black alies, & Bloody executors of British Tirany….

There is a skirmish on the 17th and I can only assume that George Kocher Sr died as part of the burial party for the Sugarloaf massacre.

The Wikipedia these days is having articles translated into Youtube videos. The Youtube video of the Sugarloaf Massacre is here.

Visit to the genealogy library of Hopkins County TX. Notes on Elias Tidwell Myers (1821 – 1902)

The big genealogist in my family, prior to my uncle Thomas, was Wilbur Thomas Myers. A cousin of mine mentioned he left his genealogy notes to the Hopkins County Genealogical Society of Sulphur Springs TX, and so I visited there just recently. I was hoping I could find some things that would add to my understanding of the Texas Myers, and I did. It also enhanced what I knew about what Wilbur knew, and it allows me to make more sense of this man’s notes.

The first two things to share are excerpts from a book dated 1909.

IMG_0291

IMG_0292

I suspect that the Captain’s title is honorary, but all that said, the text adds a lot to my understanding of Elias. It gives times, shows that he arrives in Texas a lot wealthier than say, William Myers Jr. He arrives after Texas is a state, and later gets a land grant from the state of Texas on the order of 640 acres.

IMG_0293

IMG_0294

The final photo I wish to show gives what Wilbur thought was the path through the US of Charles Myers, and later Elias. Note he completely skips Greene County TN. In this telling he goes from PA to Giles County. Later I’m sure he becomes aware of Greene County, but far too late to change this essential story. Wilbur Thomas Myers passed away in 1998, two years before the opening of the T Elmer Cox library in Greene County.

IMG_0290

The correspondence of Thomas Myers and Wilbur Thomas Myers

My cousin Marsha sent me seven letters from Wilbur Thomas Myers to Thomas Myers, my uncle, these letters covering a period between 1992 or so through 1997.  In the initial letter, Wilbur mentions he had been doing this since 1936, and had, by his accounting,

I have traveled tens of thousands of miles and spent in excess of $200,000.00 in trying to tie the end together.

Initially they knew there were a pair of Charles, and over time, it became clear to them both that “our” Charles was the one who had married Rebecca Williams. The other Charles had married Holly Hill. They were confused by the various correspondences, but noted that Elias Tidwell Myers had a son named William Henry Myers, and that Charles Jr had a son named William Myers. That said, they got the middle name wrong. Charles Jr’s son was William Hill Myers.

They then seemed to miss that this suggested that Charles Sr was an uncle of Charles Jr. All that said, the juxtaposition meant that they came awfully close to what is a very plausible theory.

1997.04-11 letter 001

In this period of time, the T Elmer Cox library didn’t exist, so they couldn’t use the Greene County resource the way later researchers, such as Wayne Myers, could. That they never were able to get at William Myers Sr seems a pity to me. They were very very very close.

Greeneville TN visit number two. Some conclusions.

I decided to make a quick dash to Greeneville on a Saturday, to make sure I could clear up some loose ends. The agenda list was as follows:

  1. Photo of Charles Myers Sr being made administrator.
  2. Nancy Carter Will. Did she sign it?
  3. William Myers Nancy Carter marriage deed.
  4. 1805 tax rolls. George Moyers in same district as the Williams?
  5. 1798-1800 Charles Myers Sr apprenticeship.
  6. Conrad Girdner obit. A photo
  7. John Myers land sales 1802-1806.

Some things were missed. The 1805 data, the T Elmer Cox librarian told me, was not provided by them, but by a third party online who claimed to be them. They didn’t have the originals. We could not find evidence of apprenticeship in the 1798-1800 time frame. We did not find the Nancy Carter will in the time we looked. I did take a photo of the Conrad Girdner obit but lost the data when I tried to rotate the image while still on the camera. It was a mistake I’ll not make again.

I found that deeds are on microfilm/fiche and thus have to be printed from the microfilm, using a combination printer/photocopier. That’s the form I have a 1805 deed by John Myers in.

The photo of the original assignment of administrator to the William Myers Jr estate does not mention Charles Jr or Sr, just Charles Myers.

Charles_Made_Administrator

The document confirms that William Myers Jr died without a will. Photos I have of the estate sale have it signed by Charles Myers Jr

IMG_0044

These things are important details as the tax rolls do not distinguish between Charles Myers, the owner of 19 acres of land in 1815, and Charles Myers, administrator of the William Myers Jr estate. Yet they distinguish between William Myers Jr and Sr.

Some things do not go away. While Charles Myers Jr buys a lot of items from William Myers Jr, Charles Myers Sr buys just a few items. Four I recall are a drawing knife, an oven with lid, a crock full of fat and a spelling book. The spelling book sticks out because by this time, Charles Myers Sr’s first daughter would be around three years old. Also around this time, Charles Myers Sr is made the guardian of Elizabeth Myers, so we have solid evidence that he’s in Greene County in 1815, and close to the Cove Creek Myers. The other three guardians were Solomon Wilhoite, John Cook Sr, and Charles Myers Jr.

We looked at signatures of William Myers Sr, and the conclusion we drew is that people must be signing for him, as his signature is different every time we look at it. The y umlaut of the Barnabas Gable marriage deed is not duplicated anywhere else.

The John Myers sale is interesting. The 235 acres of land he sells are adjacent to the Girdners on one end and to the Parmans on another. Conrad Girdner mentions a widow Parman in his obit.

I’m trying to figure out why Wayne Myers assigned the administrator to Charles Sr. My only guess would be the absence of any identifier after the name. If you look further down the image, A Fredrick Myers passes and his wife is made administrator, and the document explicitly names her as his wife. Perhaps Wayne reasoned that if Charles Myers Jr was made administrator, that his status as first born son of William would have been mentioned.

Charles Myers Sr, Charles Myers Jr, and the 1830 US Census

In 1830, doing a US Census search on Ancestry, you can’t find Charles Myers Sr, but you can find Charles Marwer. Looking at the actual census page, it’s easy to see that Charles Marwer is actually Charles Myers Sr. Further down the page, you can also see Charles Myers Jr, though his name has been butchered in ways I can’t entirely figure out.

Charles_Sr_and_Jr_1830_census_clipped

On the image above, Charles Myers Jr is the lowest of the rows, while Charles Sr is about third from the top. There are three women with Jr, and while we know the name of the son, (William Hill Myers, buried in Cass County along with Jr and Sr), I do not know the name of Charles’s three daughters.

Of the two men with Charles Sr, the younger is Elias, and the older is undoubtedly an apprentice.

Getting a workable list of Germans who enter the port of Philadelphia in the 18th century.

We’ll start with a web site called German Roots, as looking here has been the most useful place to date.  They have a subpage, named “Finding Passenger Lists before 1820” and this is where we will head next.  They then discuss a book named “Pennsylvania German Pioneers” and it is in three volumes. The first volume is an index. The second are the actual passenger lists from volume one, and this volume has to be purchased. The third volume starts in 1785 and is outside of our specific interests.

Volumes one and three can be downloaded in PDF form, and a quick look will soon convince you that trying to work through all the data (over 800 pages in volume one) would be back breaking work. That said, in 2014 a text version of the first volume was created and if you download that, then you have a shot at using a computer program to parse the text and dump the parsed data into a database. If I’m able to do that, I’ll let the readers of this blog know. I have usable skills in Perl and Python, so this isn’t impossible. The trick will be writing a smart enough parser that the output is usable and not garbage.

Update. I was able to write something that works, and create a Myers list from the raw text data listed above. The list is (in CSV format):

Henrick Meyer,Meyer,LIST 1A,1727
Tonicus Meyer,Meyer,LIST 1A,1727
Johan Will(iam) Mey,Mey,LIST 1A,1727
Elias Meyer,Meyer,LIST 1A,1727
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 1A,1727
Elias Meyer,Meyer,LIST 1B,1727
Henrich Meyer,Meyer,LIST 1B,1727
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 1B,1727
Henerck Meyer,Meyer,LIST 3A,1727
Henrich (HM) Mayer,Mayer,LIST 3B,1727
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 4A,1727
Christian Mayer,Mayer,LIST 5A,1727
Vinsent Mayer,Mayer,LIST 5A,1727
Christian Meyer,Meyer,LIST 5A,1727
Johann Vincens Meyer,Meyer,LIST 5A,1727
Hans Meyer,Meyer,LIST 6A,1728
Fredrick Meyer,Meyer,LIST 12A,1730
Bernhard Myler,Myler,LIST 12A,1730
Jacob Myler,Myler,LIST 12A,1730
Friedrich Meyer,Meyer,LIST 12A,1730
Eberhardt Meyer,Meyer,LIST 12A,1730
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 12A,1730
Friedrich Meyer,Meyer,LIST 12C,1730
Eberhardt Meyer,Meyer,LIST 12C,1730
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 12C,1730
Mathew Moyal,Moyal,LIST 13A,1730
Lareunce Moyal,Moyal,LIST 13A,1730
Hans Jedrick Moyal,Moyal,LIST 13A,1730
Barbra Moyal,Moyal,LIST 13A,1730
Hans Ulrich ( \ ) Mayer,Mayer,LIST 13B,1730
Hans llrich (X) Mayer,Mayer,LIST 13C,1730
Gerich Meyer,Meyer,LIST 15A,1730
Andreas Meyer,Meyer,LIST 15A,1730
Johann Georg Mayer,Mayer,LIST 15B,1730
Johann Georg Mayer,Mayer,LIST 15C,1730
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 16A,1730
Stoffel Meyer,Meyer,LIST 16A,1730
Thomas Meyer,Meyer,LIST 16A,1730
Anna Meyering,Meyering,LIST 16A,1730
Elizabeth Meyering,Meyering,LIST 16A,1730
Mich 1 (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 16B,1730
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 16B,1730
Christoffel Meyer,Meyer,LIST 16B,1730
Johan Thomas Meyer,Meyer,LIST 16B,1730
Jacob Meir,Meir,LIST 16B,1730
Mich. (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 16C,1730
Jacob Meier,Meier,LIST 16C,1730
Christoffel Meyer,Meyer,LIST 16C,1730
Johan Thomas Meyer,Meyer,LIST 16C,1730
Jacob Meier,Meier,LIST 16C,1730
Elias Meyer,Meyer,LIST 19A,1732
Michiel Mayer,Mayer,LIST 19A,1732
Adam Meyer,Meyer,LIST 19A,1732
Kathrina Meyerlin,Meyerlin,LIST 19A,1732
Hans Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 20A,1732
Barbara Meyer,Meyer,LIST 20A,1732
Margaret Meyer,Meyer,LIST 20A,1732
Susanna Meyer,Meyer,LIST 20A,1732
Hanickel Myer,Myer,LIST 20A,1732
Casparus Meyer,Meyer,LIST 20A,1732
Hans Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 20B,1732
Hans Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 20C,1732
Fredrich Meyer,Meyer,LIST 21A,1732
Friederich ( | ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 21A,1732
Sam' Myear,Myear,LIST 21A,1732
Martin Myear,Myear,LIST 21A,1732
Marte Mayer,Mayer,LIST 22B,1732
Samuel (O) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 22C,1732
Marte Mayer,Mayer,LIST 22C,1732
Hans Michal Meik,Meik,LIST 23A,1732
bim 1 Mieire,Mieire,LIST 23A,1732
Simon Meyer,Meyer,LIST 23B,1732
Simon Meyer,Meyer,LIST 23C,1732
Casper Maire,Maire,LIST 25A,1732
Casper (O) Miere,Miere,LIST 25B,1732
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 25B,1732
Johannes Mayer,Mayer,LIST 25C,1732
Caspar ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 25C,1732
Philip Melchior Meyer,Meyer,LIST 28A,1732
Charl. De Meyeren,Meyeren,LIST 28A,1732
Philip Melchior Meyer,Meyer,LIST 28B,1732
Philip Melchior Meyer,Meyer,LIST 28C,1732
Maria Crete Myring,Myring,LIST 29A,1733
Johannes Miem,Miem,LIST 32A,1733
Gregonus Meyster,Meyster,LIST 36A,1734
Hans deorg Meyer,Meyer,LIST 36A,1734
David Meyster,Meyster,LIST 36A,1734
Melchior Meyster,Meyster,LIST 36A,1734
Maria Meyster,Meyster,LIST 36A,1734
Christopher Meyster,Meyster,LIST 36A,1734
Anna Meyster,Meyster,LIST 36A,1734
Maria Meyster,Meyster,LIST 36A,1734
Maria Urcella Meyer,Meyer,LIST 36A,1734
Alana Ann Meyer,Meyer,LIST 36A,1734
Gregorius ( X ) Meisther,Meisther,LIST 36B,1734
Melcher (O) Meishter,Meishter,LIST 36B,1734
Georg Meyer,Meyer,LIST 36B,1734
Georg Mayer,Mayer,LIST 36C,1734
Conrad Meyer,Meyer,LIST 38A,1735
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 38A,1735
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 38A,1735
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 38B,1735
Conrad ( V ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 38B,1735
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 38C,1735
Conrad (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 38C,1735
J. ( ieorg Mein,Mein,LIST 41A,1736
Daniel Meyer,Meyer,LIST 41A,1736
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 41A,1736
Caspar Meyer,Meyer,LIST 41A,1736
A Eva Meyerin,Meyerin,LIST 41A,1736
Elisabeth Meyerin,Meyerin,LIST 41A,1736
Hans Jerig (X) Mein,Mein,LIST 41B,1736
Daniel Meyer,Meyer,LIST 41B,1736
Johannes ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 41B,1736
Caspar ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 41B,1736
Ludwig (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 41B,1736
Daniel Mayer,Mayer,LIST 41C,1736
Johanes ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 41C,1736
Caspar (O) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 41C,1736
George Meyer,Meyer,LIST 42A,1736
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 42A,1736
George Meyer,Meyer,LIST 42A,1736
Hendrick Meyer,Meyer,LIST 42A,1736
Jerg Maier,Maier,LIST 42B,1736
George ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 42B,1736
Hendrick (H) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 42B,1736
Jerg Maier,Maier,LIST 42C,1736
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 42C,1736
Nichol 8 Meyer,Meyer,LIST 44A,1737
Nichel (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 44B,1737
Nichol (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 44C,1737
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 45A,1737
Jacob Meier,Meier,LIST 45B,1737
Jacob Meier,Meier,LIST 45C,1737
Hans Jung Meyer,Meyer,LIST 46A,1737
Hans Jurig (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 46B,1737
Hans Jurig (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 46C,1737
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 47B,1737
Hans Mei[e]r,Mei[e]r,LIST 47B,1737
Christian (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 47B,1737
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 47C,1737
Hans Meir,Meir,LIST 47C,1737
Christian (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 47C,1737
Johann ( + ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 47C,1737
Willm Meyer,Meyer,LIST 52A,1738
Ludwick Meyer,Meyer,LIST 52A,1738
Martin Meyer,Meyer,LIST 52A,1738
Lodo\viok Meyer,Meyer,LIST 52B,1738
Johann Maritin Meyer,Meyer,LIST 52B,1738
Johan WilhcjUem Mayer,Mayer,LIST 52B,1738
H. Adan Mayer,Mayer,LIST 52B,1738
Ludewig Meyer,Meyer,LIST 52C,1738
Johan Martin Meyer,Meyer,LIST 52C,1738
Johan Wilhellem Mayer,Mayer,LIST 52C,1738
Adam Mayer,Mayer,LIST 52C,1738
Joh s Hendrick Meyer,Meyer,LIST 54A,1738
Johann Henrich Meyer,Meyer,LIST 54B,1738
And ries Meyer,Meyer,LIST 55A,1738
Andres (N) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 55B,1738
And eras (N) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 55C,1738
Hans George Mayer,Mayer,LIST 56C,1738
Johannes Mayer,Mayer,LIST 56C,1738
Hans Meyer,Meyer,LIST 57B,1738
Hans Jerg Mayer,Mayer,LIST 57C,1738
Hans Meyer,Meyer,LIST 57C,1738
Christian Myer,Myer,LIST 58A,1738
Martin Mayer,Mayer,LIST 60A,1738
Christophell Mayer,Mayer,LIST 62A,1738
Bertho. Mayer,Mayer,LIST 62A,1738
Georg Nicolaus Mayer,Mayer,LIST 62B,1738
Cristian (-(-) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 62B,1738
Berdolf Meier,Meier,LIST 62B,1738
Christian ( + ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 62C,1738
Ludwig Meier,Meier,LIST 63B,1738
Ludwig Meier,Meier,LIST 63C,1738
Johannes Mayer,Mayer,LIST 64A,1738
Geo. Adam Mayer,Mayer,LIST 64A,1738
Georg Ernst Mayer,Mayer,LIST 64B,1738
Georg Ernst Meyer,Meyer,LIST 64C,1738
Ralph Meyenhoffer,Meyenhoffer,LIST 66A,1738
Rodolph ( ) Mayerhousen,Mayerhousen,LIST 66B,1738
Rudolff (X) Meyerhoffe,Meyerhoffe,LIST 66C,1738
Mich 1 Meyer,Meyer,LIST 67A,1738
Michael (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 67B,1738
Melchior (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 67C,1738
Caspar Mayer,Mayer,LIST 68A,1739
Hendrich Mayer,Mayer,LIST 68A,1739
Hans Mayer,Mayer,LIST 68A,1739
Jacob Mayer,Mayer,LIST 68A,1739
Hans Ulrich Mayer,Mayer,LIST 68A,1739
Jacob Mayer,Mayer,LIST 68A,1739
Hans Meier,Meier,LIST 68B,1738
Caspar ( X ) Mayer,Mayer,LIST 68B,1738
Jacob (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 68B,1738
Henrich (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 68B,1738
Hans Ulrick ( + ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 68B,1738
Jacob (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 68B,1738
Caspar ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 68C,1738
Hans Meier,Meier,LIST 68C,1738
Jacob ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 68C,1738
Henry (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 68C,1738
Hans Uhllerik (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 68C,1738
Jacob (-f- ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 68C,1738
Johan Peter Meyer,Meyer,LIST 70A,1739
Johan Peter (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 70A,1739
Hans Myer,Myer,LIST 72A,1739
Johan Riedy Myer,Myer,LIST 72A,1739
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 73A,1739
Egidi Meyer,Meyer,LIST 73A,1739
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 73A,1739
Egidi Meyer,Meyer,LIST 73A,1739
Christian Mayer,Mayer,LIST 76A,1740
Christian (XX) Swegle Mayer,Mayer,LIST 76B,1740
John Adam Meyer,Meyer,LIST 77A,1740
Johan Adam ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 77B,1740
Johan Adam ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 77C,1740
Yergeorall Meyre,Meyre,LIST 78A,1740
Gorg Karle Meier,Meier,LIST 78B,1740
Jorg Karl Meier,Meier,LIST 78C,1740
Petter May,May,LIST 80B,1740
Peter May,May,LIST 80C,1740
Joanis Mayor,Mayor,LIST 82A,1741
Friederich (F) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 82A,1741
Johannes ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 82A,1741
Johanes (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 82C,1741
Friederch (F) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 82C,1741
Jacob Mayer,Mayer,LIST 85A,1741
Jacob Mayer,Mayer,LIST 85A,1741
Jacob (O) Mayer,Mayer,LIST 85B,1741
Jacob (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 85C,1741
Jacob Meier,Meier,LIST 85C,1741
Maties (X) Maier,Maier,LIST 87B,1741
Matteus (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 87C,1741
Peter Meyer,Meyer,LIST 88A,1741
Peter (X) Myar,Myar,LIST 88B,1741
Peter (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 88C,1741
Dewaldt Mayer,Mayer,LIST 90A,1741
Peter Main,Main,LIST 90A,1741
Hans Ehwalt Meyer,Meyer,LIST 90B,1741
Peter (X) Maim,Maim,LIST 90B,1741
Hans Ehwalt Meyer,Meyer,LIST 90C,1741
Peter ( X ) Main,Main,LIST 90C,1741
Adolph Meyer,Meyer,LIST 91A,1742
Johann Adolph Meyer,Meyer,LIST 91B,1742
Johann Adolph Meyer,Meyer,LIST 91C,1742
Marti Myer,Myer,LIST 94C,1742
Fredri (K) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 94C,1742
Matheas (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 95C,1742
Hannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 96A,1743
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 96A,1743
Rudey Meyerhover,Meyerhover,LIST 96A,1743
Hans Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 96A,1743
Hans (X) Moyer,Moyer,LIST 96B,1743
Johans Meier,Meier,LIST 96B,1743
Hans Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 96B,1743
Junghans Meier,Meier,LIST 96C,1743
Hans Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 96C,1743
Hans (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 96C,1743
Johans Meier,Meier,LIST 96C,1743
JJaniel Mey,Mey,LIST 97A,1743
Hendricli Mey,Mey,LIST 97A,1743
Danniel May,May,LIST 97B,1743
Johann Henrich May,May,LIST 97B,1743
Daniell May,May,LIST 97C,1743
Johann Hen rich May,May,LIST 97C,1743
Henrich ( -)- ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 98C,1743
Casper Meier,Meier,LIST 100C,1743
Henry (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 101C,1743
Phillippus Friederich May,May,LIST 102C,1743
Mattheis Meier,Meier,LIST 102C,1743
Johannes Mayer,Mayer,LIST 103A,1743
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 103B,1743
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 103C,1743
Joh. Adam ( + ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 105B,1743
Matthias ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 105B,1743
Nich. (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 105B,1743
Joh. Wilh m (M) Meys,Meys,LIST 105B,1743
Johan Adam ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 105C,1744
Matteas ( + ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 105C,1744
Nicklas (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 105C,1744
Johan Wilhelm (M) Meys,Meys,LIST 105C,1744
Joseph Mayer,Mayer,LIST 108C,1744
Johannes Mayer,Mayer,LIST 108C,1744
John Jacob ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 109C,1744
Johann (V) Meister,Meister,LIST 109C,1744
Michael Meyer,Meyer,LIST 109C,1744
Peter (V) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 109C,1744
John Jacob (XX) Meishter,Meishter,LIST 113C,1747
Michael (M) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 113C,1747
Michel Meyer,Meyer,LIST 114C,1747
Philipp Jacob Mayer,Mayer,LIST 114C,1747
Johann Petter Meissen,Meissen,LIST 115B,1747
Adolff May,May,LIST 115B,1747
Johann Petter Meissen,Meissen,LIST 115C,1747
Adolf Mey,Mey,LIST 115C,1747
Johanes (O) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 115C,1747
Johannes (O) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 116C,1747
Johann Leonhard May,May,LIST 116C,1747
Frantz Peter May,May,LIST 116C,1747
Johann Nickel Mayer,Mayer,LIST 116C,1747
Adam Mayer,Mayer,LIST 116C,1747
Johannes Myer,Myer,LIST 116C,1747
Adam Mayer,Mayer,LIST 116C,1747
Johannes Mayer,Mayer,LIST 116C,1747
Adam Mayer,Mayer,LIST 116C,1747
Johannes Mayer,Mayer,LIST 116C,1747
Johann Adam Meyer,Meyer,LIST 121C,1748
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 121C,1748
Johannes ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 125C,1749
Losker Meyer,Meyer,LIST 126C,1749
Baltas Mayer-,Mayer-,LIST 126C,1749
J. Leonhart (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 127C,1749
Samuel (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 128C,1749
Hans Jacob (M) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 129C,1749
Henry ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 129C,1749
Johann Michael Mayer,Mayer,LIST 130C,1749
Hans Meier,Meier,LIST 133C,1749
Hans Nickel Meyer,Meyer,LIST 133C,1749
Jost Meyer,Meyer,LIST 133C,1749
Hans Jorg Mieder,Mieder,LIST 134C,1749
Christoph (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 135C,1749
Michel Meyer,Meyer,LIST 135C,1749
Friederich (M) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 139C,1749
Con rat Mayer,Mayer,LIST 139C,1749
Johannes Meier,Meier,LIST 140C,1749
Friederich Mey,Mey,LIST 141C,1749
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 141C,1749
Johann Nickklas Mayer,Mayer,LIST 141C,1749
Lonhardt Meyer,Meyer,LIST 142C,1749
Hans Gerg Meyer,Meyer,LIST 144C,1749
Georg Meyer,Meyer,LIST 145C,1749
Friedrich Meisch,Meisch,LIST 149C,1750
Johannes Miesch,Miesch,LIST 149C,1750
Hans Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 150C,1750
Hans George ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 150C,1750
Peter (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 152C,1750
Christoph ( + ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 153C,1750
Johannes ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 154C,1750
Henry (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 154C,1750
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 156C,1750
Matheas ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 157C,1750
Hans Georg ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 157C,1750
Joseph ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 159C,1750
Rolandt May,May,LIST 159C,1750
Caspar Mayer,Mayer,LIST 159C,1750
Jacob Meier,Meier,LIST 162C,1750
Veit Meister,Meister,LIST 163C,1750
H. Michael (H) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 165C,1750
Philipp Friedrich Meyer,Meyer,LIST 167C,1750
Elias Mayer,Mayer,LIST 168C,1750
Hans Mayer,Mayer,LIST 168C,1750
Martin Maintzer,Maintzer,LIST 169C,1750
Simmon Meier,Meier,LIST 170C,1750
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 171C,1750
Johan Philipp Meyer,Meyer,LIST 172C,1750
Michael Mayer,Mayer,LIST 173C,1750
Daniel Meyer,Meyer,LIST 174C,1750
Michael (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 174C,1750
Vallentin Meyer,Meyer,LIST 174C,1750
Johann Andreas Mayer,Mayer,LIST 176C,1750
Johann George Mayer,Mayer,LIST 176C,1750
Johann Andreas Mayer,Mayer,LIST 176C,1750
Johann Georg Maisch,Maisch,LIST 176C,1750
Johanes Meiger,Meiger,LIST 176C,1750
Johannes Mayer,Mayer,LIST 176C,1750
Johannes Mayer,Mayer,LIST 176C,1750
Caspar ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 176C,1750
Hans Adam Meyer,Meyer,LIST 176C,1750
Friederich Mayer,Mayer,LIST 177C,1752
Johann Wilhelm Meyer,Meyer,LIST 177C,1752
Johann Gcrlach Meyer,Meyer,LIST 177C,1752
Johann Christ Meyer,Meyer,LIST 177C,1752
Jacob (X) Meysel,Meysel,LIST 178C,1752
Henry (XX) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 180C,1752
Hans Heinrich Meir,Meir,LIST 180C,1752
Johannes (-)-) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 180C,1752
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 180C,1752
Steft'an Meyer,Meyer,LIST 181C,1752
Joseph Mayer,Mayer,LIST 182C,1752
deorge ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 187C,1752
Johann Michael May,May,LIST 187C,1752
George ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 187C,1752
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 187C,1752
Hans Peter ( + ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 192C,1752
Christoph ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 193C,1752
Christ Diterich ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 193C,1752
Johan ( + + ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 193C,1752
Ulrich Meyer,Meyer,LIST 194C,1752
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 194C,1752
Johan Georg Meyer,Meyer,LIST 194C,1752
Hans George (X) Meyly,Meyly,LIST 195C,1752
Johann Michael Christian Gorg May,May,LIST 195C,1752
Frantz May,May,LIST 195C,1752
Kilian May,May,LIST 195C,1752
Heinrich Mayer,Mayer,LIST 196A,1753
Hinrich Meyer,Meyer,LIST 196B,1753
Hinrich Meyer,Meyer,LIST 196C,1753
Johann Gerhardt Mayer,Mayer,LIST 196C,1753
Matt 8 Mier,Mier,LIST 197A,1753
Johann Mattheus Mayer,Mayer,LIST 197B,1753
Johann Mattheus Mayer,Mayer,LIST 197C,1753
Frederick (X) Mey,Mey,LIST 199B,1753
Adolf Meyer,Meyer,LIST 199B,1753
Friederich ( X ) Mey,Mey,LIST 199C,1753
Adolf Meyer,Meyer,LIST 199C,1753
Joh. Jurg Meys,Meys,LIST 201A,1753
And 3 Meyer,Meyer,LIST 202A,1753
Johann Andreas Meyer,Meyer,LIST 202B,1753
Johann Andreas Meyer,Meyer,LIST 202C,1753
Philip Meyer,Meyer,LIST 203A,1753
Johan Diedrich Meyer,Meyer,LIST 203C,1753
Johan Philip (HPM) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 203C,1753
Philip Jacob Mayer,Mayer,LIST 204A,1753
Philipp Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 204B,1753
Philipp Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 204C,1753
Johannis Martin Myer,Myer,LIST 207A,1753
Rudolph ( X ) Myer,Myer,LIST 207B,1753
Johannes Mayer,Mayer,LIST 207B,1753
Marten Mayer,Mayer,LIST 207B,1753
Rudolph (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 207C,1753
Johannes Mayer,Mayer,LIST 207C,1753
.Marten Mayer,Mayer,LIST 207C,1753
Joh. Adam Mier,Mier,LIST 208A,1753
Johann Adam Meyer,Meyer,LIST 208B,1753
Johann Adam Meyer,Meyer,LIST 208C,1753
Peter Myer,Myer,LIST 209A,1753
Johann Peter Meyer,Meyer,LIST 209B,1753
Daniel Flender Johan Peter Meyer,Meyer,LIST 209C,1753
John Petter Mayer,Mayer,LIST 211A,1753
John Peter (X) Myer,Myer,LIST 211B,1753
J. Peter (XX) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 211C,1753
Adam Maire,Maire,LIST 215B,1754
Adam Maire,Maire,LIST 215C,1754
Leonard Meyer,Meyer,LIST 215C,1754
Leon ha i d t Meyer,Meyer,LIST 216B,1754
Leonhardt Meyer,Meyer,LIST 216C,1754
Hans George ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 218B,1754
Hans Georg (-J-) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 218B,1754
Hans George ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 218C,1754
Hans George (-)-) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 218C,1754
George Mayer,Mayer,LIST 221A,1754
Conrad Mayer,Mayer,LIST 221A,1754
Georg Meyer,Meyer,LIST 221B,1754
Goerg Meyer,Meyer,LIST 221C,1754
Jacob Fredrick Meyer,Meyer,LIST 223A,1754
Walledine Meyer,Meyer,LIST 223A,1754
John Meyer,Meyer,LIST 223A,1754
Jacob Friderich Mayer,Mayer,LIST 223B,1754
Johann Vallentin Meier,Meier,LIST 223B,1754
John (HM) Myer,Myer,LIST 223B,1754
Jacob Friederich Mayer,Mayer,LIST 223C,1754
Johann Vallentin Meier,Meier,LIST 223C,1754
Hans ( HM ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 223C,1754
Hans Jacob Mayer,Mayer,LIST 226C,1754
Christian Meyer,Meyer,LIST 228A,1754
Hans Jost Meyer,Meyer,LIST 228A,1754
Christian ( + ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 228B,1754
John Jost ( + ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 228B,1754
Christian ( X ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 228C,1754
John Jost ( -f ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 228C,1754
Bernhard Meyer,Meyer,LIST 230A,1754
Johann Bernhardt Mayer,Mayer,LIST 230B,1754
Johann Bernhardt Mayer,Mayer,LIST 230C,1754
Christoph ( + ) Mey,Mey,LIST 231C,1754
Christoph Mier,Mier,LIST 234A,1755
Christoph Mayer,Mayer,LIST 234B,1755
Christopf Mayer,Mayer,LIST 234C,1755
Johann Simon Meyer,Meyer,LIST 237C,1756
Conradt Meyer,Meyer,LIST 240C,1763
Georg Mayer,Mayer,LIST 240C,1763
Johann Nickel Mayer,Mayer,LIST 242C,1764
Johann Herman Meyer,Meyer,LIST 242C,1764
Christian ( H ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 244C,1764
Jost Meyer,Meyer,LIST 248C,1764
Adam Meyer,Meyer,LIST 248C,1764
Johan Gottfrit Meyer,Meyer,LIST 249C,1764
Friederich Wilhelm Meyer,Meyer,LIST 253C,1765
Jacob (M) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 253C,1765
Johannes May,May,LIST 253C,1765
Dan 1 (MD) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 254C,1765
Philipp Henrich Mayer,Mayer,LIST 254C,1765
Jacob Meyer,Meyer,LIST 256C,1765
Johannes Miichel Meyer,Meyer,LIST 256C,1765
Johannes Meister,Meister,LIST 258C,1766
Johann Georg May,May,LIST 258C,1766
Johannes Miesemer,Miesemer,LIST 258C,1766
Anton Meidorf,Meidorf,LIST 258C,1766
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 259C,1766
Hans Jerg Mayer,Mayer,LIST 267C,1767
Hs. Barnhardt Mayer,Mayer,LIST 267C,1767
Johann Adam Meyer,Meyer,LIST 271C,1768
John Peter (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 271C,1768
Tacob ( X ) Mayer,Mayer,LIST 272C,1768
Philipp Jacob May,May,LIST 287C,1771
Peter Meyer,Meyer,LIST 287C,1771
Conrad (+ + +) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 290C,1771
Heinrich Meier,Meier,LIST 292C,1771
Christoph Wohler Johann Georg Meyer,Meyer,LIST 294C,1772
Johannes Meyer,Meyer,LIST 295C,1772
Hans Jacob Meier,Meier,LIST 295C,1772
Wm. Nycius (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 295C,1772
Hans Martin Meyer,Meyer,LIST 296C,1772
Mattheus Lin tier meyr,meyr,LIST 296C,1772
Carl Meier,Meier,LIST 299C,1772
Johan Wilhelm Meyer,Meyer,LIST 299C,1772
Gerhard Meyer,Meyer,LIST 302C,1773
Hinrich Andreas Meyer,Meyer,LIST 308C,1773
Henry ( -)- ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 310C,1773
Casimir May,May,LIST 311C,1773
Eberhard (X) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 311C,1773
Daniel Meyer,Meyer,LIST 312C,1773
Christ ( ) Meyer,Meyer,LIST 312C,1773
Fried rich Mayer,Mayer,LIST 322C,1774
Pr. Maison,Maison,LIST 322C,1774
Johann Nickel Meyer,Meyer,LIST 324C,1775
Johann Fried rich Meyer,Meyer,LIST 324C,1775

Who signed the Barnabas Gable marriage deed?

The marriage deed of Barnabas Gable is the first document that pins William Myers Jr/Sr into Greene County, TN. This because a William Moyer cosigns the deed. But what to make of the signature on the lower right?

IMG_0139

My brother argues, persuasively I believe, that the two iotas are above a letter ‘y’ and so we’re looking at a y umlaut.  And this creates an interesting set of questions.

William Senior signs his will with an ‘x’. That said, he’s an 86 year old man when he signs in 1821. If he were a captain in the Pennsylvania militia, he would have had to deliver a notice to every militiaman who was being called upon to serve. That would suggest some minimal reading skills required, enough to recognize a signature.

Now, Elizabeth Kocher is well liked enough that she is included in William Senior’s will. So it’s entirely possible that’s William Senior’s signature. That said, in 1795 or thereabouts, William Myers Jr names a child ‘Barnabas’. So yes, the mystery continues. Is William Sr literate? Is that his signature on the document above? If so, is that a typical German signature of the 18th century and if so, what elements in the signature would let us know?

Greeneville TN visit. Some quick hits.

I have driven to Greene County TN, spent parts of two days in their genealogical library. I found the Nolichucky River and also Cove Creek. I have taken photos of Cove Creek, the Solomon Lutheran church. After, I found Mt Tabor United Methodist Church, the Myers cemetery there, and took a photo of Wayne Myers’s grave. In the meantime, I also found his obituary.

Q: Was William Myers Sr illiterate?

He signs his will with an ‘x’.  For now, I suspect he is, though I cannot rule out him losing the ability to write later in life.

Q: How close were the lands of William Myers Sr and Jr?

In a deed dated 1817, Charles Myers Jr sells 19 3/4 acres of land to Barnabas Myers. In the deed he mentions he inherited the land from his father, William Myers, and that the land is adjacent to the land of William Myers Sr.

The evidence they were close is that they appear in the same tax district within Greene County year after year. But side by side is yet another matter.

Q: When did William Myers Jr die?

He is reported as alive on the tax rolls of 1814. later in the year, on the 25th of October, 1814, the first of three estate sales happen. So he must have died in 1814. A rereading of the documents suggest that the first estate sale is a different man. An inventory of William Myers Jr’s estate is taken on Tuesday, January 24, 1815 and in that document it gives a date of death of January 23, 1815.

Q: What about the other Myers?

If you mean Christopher Myers and Henry Myers and that bunch, they are physically in another district, north and west of the Cove Creek Myers. The librarian at T Elmer Cox said they were located between Mohawk and Mosheim. There are other small groups, but the West Greene Myers and the Cove Creek Myers are the two largest groups.

Q: What was the status of Jacob Myers, William Myers Jr’s fourth son, after William’s death?

Turns out he was a minor too. John Cook Sr takes guardianship of him on Wed, April 14, 1816. That paints Charles Myers Jr as the oldest of the William Myers Jr children.

Q: Can we locate George Myers in Greene County TN?

He is on the tax rolls of 1798. He is part of a trial, along with John Myers, in 1803. Both John and George were witnesses. I believe that George Myers was also part of a jury in 1803, but the last name of the last juror (George) is cut off in my photo. In 1805, you can find a ‘George Moyers’ in the tax rolls. A George Myers marries a June Harty in 1801, marriage deed # 758.

Q: What are the earliest signs of the Cove Creek Myers in Greene County TN?

John Myers is certainly active in the early 1790s, as he is known to arrive in 1790. The date for William Myers Sr and company to arrive is between 1792 and 1794. The first tax rolls that show William Sr, William Jr, John, George, John Cook, Barnabas Gable etc is the 1798 tax roll. I don’t know why they are missing in 1796; data loss? The first written document that pins a William into Greene County is the marriage deed of Barnabas Gable, which appears to be signed by a William Myers (At this point I suspect William Sr). The marriage is normally dated to 18 Dec, 1795.

Q: What are the first signs of Charles Myers Sr in Greene County?

Still, the first sign is his marriage to Rebecca Williams in 1811. In 1812, there are comments in the minutes about roads that were to be made from ‘Charles Myers’s Smith Shop’ to other locations, or roads to be made near the shop.

In 1813, a Charles Myers, probably Charles Sr, buys 19+ acres of land and this acreage appears in the 1814, 1815, and 1816 tax rolls. This is not the same land that is deeded to Barney Myers.

By late 1814 through 1816 Charles Sr is heavily involved with the William Myers Jr estate, and appears on the tax rolls as administrator of William’s land in 1815 and 1816. No attempt is made to distinguish between the Charles Myers who owns 19 acres and the one who administers the William Myers estate.

Q: When did Charles Myers Sr leave?

Because of tax roll loss in Greene County, we can’t trace him from 1817 out. First sign in Giles is the 1820 US Census.

Q: Any news on George Kocher Jr?

I found and photographed his marriage deed, but could not find any hint of him on the tax rolls.

Q: Who else lived along Cove Creek?

John Crockett did, in 1794. He was building a grist mill when a flood wiped out the mill and left John, David Crockett’s father, with a large debt load. I like to imagine that David Crockett could have played marbles with Charles Sr and Jr.

Q: So what did Wayne Myers’s grave look like?

Like this. Without Wayne, this blog would be a small and largely barren affair.

IMG_0124

 

 

Charles Myers 1789-1857. Is his mother a Girdner?

My original source for the Conrad Girdner obit was an email from Rayedene Graves. Later I found a link on Ancestry and there is also this little bit of info from RootsWeb. The story goes as follows (emphasis mine):

OBITUARY of Conrad Girdner
Died, at his residence in the 9th district of Greene County, Tennessee, of old age and a consuming sore, on the 12th day of May, 1882, Conrad Girdner, aged 95 years, 2 months and 22 days.
The subject of this sketch was born in Hedrick Township, Northampton County, Pennsylvania, on the 20th day of February, 1787. He was of German extract. His father’s name was Michael. He was born in Northampton County. His father married Huldah Beach, and they had nine children, whose names were: David, Conrad, Joseph, Christena, Michael, Charlotte, Geroge, Mary and Naney.

The writer was at Mr. Girdner’s residence the very last days that his memory was anywise good and was able to snatch from the mind of one who, only a few weeks before possessed a most retentive memory of past events which had come to his knowledge the past ninety years and I will give what follows in quotations in his own words:
“I was five years old when my parents, with the oldest and two younger than I, left Pennsylvania for the wilds of Tennessee with two horses and a wagon. They were accompanied by two brothers-in-laws one named Myers and the other Cook, and their families.
“I walked all the way from our old home to Flag Branch, in Greene County, where my father settled on one hundred acres of land. He afterwards added to it by purchase. The distance we traveled was seven hundred miles, and I now well remember every step of the journey. We left in February, 1792, and were fully seven weeks on the way. —
When we arrived there was just a little cabin on the purchase, which property is now owned and occupied by the widow Perman. When we came the Indians were still in possession of portions of East Tennessee, and continued to annoy the white settlers til 1805, when a treaty impelled them to go elsewhere, and leave the white men in full possession of this portion of our wide domain.
“During one of the Indian wars Charles O’Neal, an Irishmen, taught school in our neighborhood, and I attended three months. He said he had taught thirteen hundred different schollars and that I was one of the very quickest to learn. But our facilities for schooling were very limited. I learned to read, write some and could cast accounts sufficently for my purpose through life. The elder children had to get up before daylight and break flax and perform other labor before school, in order to enable my mother to spin and weave cloth with which to clothe us.
I lived with my father til 1807, when I married Elizabeth George, daughter of Yost George, who came from Germany when he wwas but four years of age. I was twenty years old when I married. A portion of father’s land was set off to me and I settled down for life. My wife and I had eleven children-six daughters and five sons-viz: William, Catherine, John, Delilah, Luther, Eliza, Mary Jane, Stephen, Alexander, Nancy and Sally.
“Years after my father came out grandfather, David Girdner came to Greene County {c1798) with a span of horses and a wagon. Grandmother drove the team and grandfather sat by her side. He died on the estate I now occupy, on Richland Creek.
“I was engaged in the war of 1812 under Gen. Andrew Jackson. And so was my father, though he was a man well stricken in years. He died in 1814, aged sixty years. After his death my mother married Lewis Ball.”
During the recital of the above his mind several times wandered, and I had to give him rest. The next day he was incompetent to tell anything, and rapidly grew worse, til soon his mind gave way entirely.
I had intended to have drawn out of him and rescued from oblivion many facts in his knowledge which have gone out with his mind.
Mr. Girdner came to town for the last time in September last to prepare his pension papers. His mind was vigorous til about February, when it began to weaken, as well as his body. On his 95th birthday, February 20th, he gave a dinner party, which was attended by his son, Dr. William Girdner, his wife and some others. he had been very feelbe previous to that occasion, but seemed quite cheerful and much better on that day. He commenced growing worse till at last the once brilliant mind flickered out and he was totally ignorant of everything going on around him.

About fifteen years ago he was afflicted with a cancerous sore on his nose between his eyes, which he was admonished was dangerous unless he would submit to an operation, but he would not, and the sore continued to eat into his flesh till it consumed his nose and caused blindness, and ultimately spread through his whole system, till death came to his relief at the time above stated.
J.S. WARNER – WRITER
THE GREENEVILLE HERALD – MAY 1882 – PUBLISHED IN GREENEVILLE, TENNESSEE.

So, just for yucks I got onto Ancestry and looked for matches to folks who had the name ‘Girdner’ in their family trees. I had six matches. Of these, three were related to David Girdner and three to women in eastern TN, in places like Moore County, that easily could have descended from these folks.

These results need to be confirmed. They are not close but distant matches, and only one rated as ‘Good’ by Ancestry. Understand, we’re getting to the point DNA information gets lost, and just by matching, I can’t eliminate an accidental match. I can’t even check to see if the match is paternal, by myself.

On the other hand, my autosomal data does not preclude the possibility that Charles Myers’s father is the Myers spoken about in the Girdner obit, and his mother is an unknown Girdner female.

Update: A really good Girdner link.